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29605David
2019-10-14 21:38:19
H6 is past,is already death,but Leela will go back.
At this point it could be useful to calculate the thousandth of a pawn.
An updated version to the thousandth indicates a lot of difference.
29604Mrert
2019-10-14 20:06:06
H6.03 absolutely destroyed by SF. It's the 3rd strongest CPU engine, a couple elo behind the second
29603abdulbadii
2019-10-14 10:15:32
Good news for Stockfish guys, on Windows for the time being

Atfish for Windows with its binary name SF_x.exe, or whatever you like to make up (means StockFish eXperiment), is intended to help better improve the Stockfish rating by testing it on Arena chess GUI.
This is how to duplicate it:

Prsess F11 => Detail tab => New => go into Engine dir. => pick this SF_x.exe

Context-click on the engine title of Engine Analysis output => Configure SF_x => Tune & Set whatever you like => Save this as a new engine.

Tune and name in such it's easily recognized as another one for being experimented/matched in Tournament (Press F9)


https://github.com/abdulbadii/Atfish/archive/master.zip

Get Windows binary:

https://github.com/abdulbadii/Atfish/releases/download/v0.0.0.0/SF_x.exe
29602WCN
2019-10-13 14:59:29
The Alpha Zero + all NN Chess engines HOAX! SCAM! By A.R.B :)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/m2lM1q5b3vE


Proof! (AB-Chess engines) > (NN-Chess engines)

The Reason Stockfish will Win TCEC 16 and all others is because as I pointed out below at the start of this Thread!...

Stockfish Deep Tactics Version Destroys NN Chess Engines... :)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/OAMtlZmZyaE


{Without a doubt the Strength of NN Chess engines is that they look at the broad picture regarding Chess board positions,and then make a move according to the weights they have learnt,which is good and OK ?,but the weakness of such a way of finding moves is that they are not able to search so deep in some Tactical positions,because the depth they search is spread out over such a large area of positions,if anything they play in a more Strategic way but can miss deep Tactical mates etc.}


Stockfish has Won! the TCEC 16 Super Final by (10) Points!!! ...


N Engine Rtng Pts Gm SB X Elo Perf St Al

1 Stockfish 19092522 3892 54.5 100 2479.75 0 -170 54.5 ············· ==0==1=====1=1===========10====1======0==1===1=========1===11==1==========0====1============1=====01

2 AllieStein v0.5-dev_7b41f8c-n11 3823 45.5 100 2479.75 0 +170 45.5 ==1==0=====0=0===========01====0======1==0===0=========0===00==0==========1====0============0=====10






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29601DOUBLE-DICK-HEAD-WATCH! :(
2019-10-12 19:27:26
29599 David
2019-10-12 14:15:46
29600Mrert
2019-10-12 17:46:21
also SF : gg ez
29599David
2019-10-12 14:15:46
and you look at yourself in the mirror so you see your vulgarity and inability to express a polite thought.
29598DICK-HEAD-WATCH! :(
2019-10-12 14:01:50
9597 David
2019-10-12 13:28:19
29597David
2019-10-12 13:28:19
Stockfish: I want to compliment the defeats, because they are part of the game and you can lose with dignity.
It is too easy to go up the winners' carriage.
29596WCN
2019-10-12 11:43:18
The Alpha Zero + all NN Chess engines HOAX! SCAM! By A.R.B :)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/m2lM1q5b3vE


Not long now and another NN engine can R.I.P :)

TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 93: AllieStein as white loses to SF in QDG

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/Mt8uNRFCm0Q






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29595Reko πŸŸπŸ‘‘
2019-10-12 02:44:52
Congratulations Stockfish

πŸ‘‘πŸŸπŸ‘‘πŸŸπŸ‘‘πŸŸπŸ‘‘πŸŸπŸ‘‘πŸŸπŸ‘‘πŸŸπŸ‘‘

Thank you all SF developers and supporters all over the galaxy!

We are literally proud of you!


Long Live Stockfish!


RekoπŸŸπŸ‘‘
29594Mrert
2019-10-11 21:10:43
I don't really know about Allie, if it's only 50% or 90% clone of LC0.
But yeah SF remains the best choice for "peasant" hardware
29593queen13
2019-10-11 20:37:13
Yes, there was. I think it wasn't trained very much, only a few games against stockfish.

Just imagine what a nn engine would do if it was designed from the very start by playing games

against stockfish. In theory at least this is possible. I don't know how it would work in reality

but I would like to see such an attempt. Maybe this way the strongest nn engine is created !

Or maybe it just finds all the holes in stockfish evaluation and stockfish team can patch up

the engine :)

Maybe the stockfish team itself should train such a network for the purpose of finding out what

to improve on stockfish.
29592WCN
2019-10-11 17:38:31
The Alpha Zero + all NN Chess engines HOAX! SCAM! By A.R.B :)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/m2lM1q5b3vE



Stockfish's TCEC 16 NN Chess engine Dominance so far! :) ...



TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 6: AllieStein as black loses to SF in Sicilian
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/ZY81bDM-krk


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 12: AllieStein as black loses to SF in Benoni
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/zYl32Rdh2p4


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 14: AllieStein as black loses to SF in French
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/tXRQh9UeM5k


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 26: AllieStein as black loses to SF in Queen's Indian
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/al8BToUjt_I


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 32: AllieStein as black loses to SF in Vienna game
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/y-YYYl8LJew


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 42: AllieStein as black loses to SF in Neo-Gruenfeld defence game
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/OaTNmmo84fw


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 46: AllieStein as black loses to SF in English opening
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/N70Q1AeBIOU


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 56: AllieStein as black loses to SF in Robatsch (modern) defence
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/1ceG3ql8miE


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 60: AllieStein as black loses to SF in Ruy Lopez
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/_lccZ04l3tE


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 61: AllieStein as white loses to SF in Trompovsky attack (Ruth, Opovcensky opening)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/Xb3YGnt62Ic


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 64: AllieStein as black loses to SF in French
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/gEidulnzssU


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 80: AllieStein as black loses to SF in Ruy Lopez
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/4UObgOyxxk4


https://tcec-chess.com







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29591HomoSapiens
2019-10-11 10:03:59
@29588
I remember there really was an antifish engine in CCC.
29590David
2019-10-11 10:03:03
The reference version is Stockfish 10.
He's still unbeaten.
So ... at best, a guy can say that Stockfish 10 is stronger than Stockfish 10.
It's another thing
It's just a linguistic problem, like talking about neurons, this doesn't exist.
it's all behind a pc.
29589WCN
2019-10-11 08:25:23
The Alpha Zero + all NN Chess engines HOAX! SCAM! By A.R.B :)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/m2lM1q5b3vE


The limitations of NN Chess engines is very clear! as Stockfish leads the so called TCEC 16 Super final by 8 points :)


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 64: AllieStein as black loses to SF in French
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/gEidulnzssU


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 80: AllieStein as black loses to SF in Ruy Lopez
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/4UObgOyxxk4



1 Stockfish 19092522 87 47.5 0 12 [11/1] 4 [0/4] 1876.25 3892 -91 [3801]
2 AllieStein v0.5-dev_7b41f8c-n11 87 39.5 0 4 [4/0] 12 [1/11] 1876.25 3823 91 [3914]


https://tcec-chess.com






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29588queen13
2019-10-10 11:30:59
They can even have anti versions.
For example an anti-stockfish version for the superfinal and an anti-weak-engines version for getting to the superfinal. I wonder, could alliestein just load the lc0 best network in the superfinal and play pretty much like lc0?
Allie is a lot like an anti-weak-engines compared to lc0.
29587Mrert
2019-10-10 06:28:40
Wait till they self-learn contempt lol
29586queen13
2019-10-09 11:23:38
It just needs contempt and boom, it is the best for tcec conditions then !
29585WCN
2019-10-08 17:28:59
The Alpha Zero + all NN Chess engines HOAX! SCAM! By A.R.B :)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/m2lM1q5b3vE



When all the Talking Stops!... :)


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 60: AllieStein as black loses to SF in Ruy Lopez
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/FfW0SyoCVDY


TCEC 16 Superfinal Game 61: AllieStein as white loses to SF in Trompovsky attack (Ruth, Opovcensky opening)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fishcooking/WPSPyZIYeJI





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29584anonymous
2019-10-08 17:28:51
Are the build 'really' done on Ubuntu 18.04 and gcc 7.3 ?

Looks like the info needs to be updated.
29583Mrert
2019-10-07 17:11:53
LC0 got the SF treatment of a couple of seasons back : does not loose to anyone but does not score enough wins against weaker engines
29582DICK
2019-10-07 15:38:05
29581 queen13
2019-10-07 13:52:53 Wow, what a stockfish crush in the tcec ! But I still think that next season could be very different ! I would rather see a stockfish lc0 final. Allie is good at winning against weaker engines but I think lc0 would be a stronger opponent for stockfish in the final. Maybe a bonus match between those two at superfinal conditions ? I would be glad to see that. At least stockfish didn't crush a third time. Lc0 Allie final would be a shame !


lc0 had a chance against Stockfish and Allie but is weaker than both of them! that's why it's out of the Super final :)
29581queen13
2019-10-07 13:52:53
Wow, what a stockfish crush in the tcec ! But I still think that next season could be very different ! I would rather see a stockfish lc0 final. Allie is good at winning against weaker engines but I think lc0 would be a stronger opponent for stockfish in the final. Maybe a bonus match between those two at superfinal conditions ? I would be glad to see that. At least stockfish didn't crush a third time. Lc0 Allie final would be a shame !

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